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Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Per Nielsen (---.boanxr10.ras.tele.dk)
Date: January 11, 2004 04:48PM
<HTML>I am overwhelmed by the response to this photo. Thank you all.
The original is a 80x80 mm glass Dias (positive). It was found together with other Dias, one of them showing a commercial for Stanley in Danish. This have very likely been shown in cinema before the movie. The commercial bears the name of the Danish dealer “Mathiesen og Ernst” who, according to the notes in the Stanley Dealer bulletins, were dealing Stanley 1922-23.
The file I mailed to JW is a 239 KB .jpeg. It is based on a 6.9 MB .TIF scan of the Dias. This is too big to mail. In stead I will offer the discussion group + 10 more a god print of the .TIF. Just mail me your address.
Per</HTML>
The original is a 80x80 mm glass Dias (positive). It was found together with other Dias, one of them showing a commercial for Stanley in Danish. This have very likely been shown in cinema before the movie. The commercial bears the name of the Danish dealer “Mathiesen og Ernst” who, according to the notes in the Stanley Dealer bulletins, were dealing Stanley 1922-23.
The file I mailed to JW is a 239 KB .jpeg. It is based on a 6.9 MB .TIF scan of the Dias. This is too big to mail. In stead I will offer the discussion group + 10 more a god print of the .TIF. Just mail me your address.
Per</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: David K. Nergaard (---.s1134.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: January 11, 2004 06:06PM
<HTML>Please put me down for a print. my address is 367 King Street, Littleton, Mass., 01460-1248, USA.
I have spotted a couple more details which may help identify the chassis. The rectangular object between and below the two valves on the dash appears to be an Apel indicating cutout. Which years did Stanlet use the Apel electric system? The boiler seems to be fitted with a brazed three tube indicator of the short style. Not the earlier cast type or the later long type.
It looks to me like the two pulley wheels in the back of the room penetrate the floor above. Could they have been part of the setup for testing the Florida racer before it was sent south?</HTML>
I have spotted a couple more details which may help identify the chassis. The rectangular object between and below the two valves on the dash appears to be an Apel indicating cutout. Which years did Stanlet use the Apel electric system? The boiler seems to be fitted with a brazed three tube indicator of the short style. Not the earlier cast type or the later long type.
It looks to me like the two pulley wheels in the back of the room penetrate the floor above. Could they have been part of the setup for testing the Florida racer before it was sent south?</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Rolly (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: January 12, 2004 07:58AM
<HTML>Per
I would like to have a copy of any old photos you can e-mail. Thanks for sending this photo to John. Very interesting.
revans8770@cs.com
Rolly</HTML>
I would like to have a copy of any old photos you can e-mail. Thanks for sending this photo to John. Very interesting.
revans8770@cs.com
Rolly</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Ben in maine (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date: January 12, 2004 08:26AM
<HTML>The wheels for the test rig were closer to 8 ft dia ,,,Ben</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Jeff Theobald (---.range217-42.btcentralplus.com)
Date: January 12, 2004 12:22PM
<HTML>Hi,
I also would like any old photographs that you can email, many thanks, Jeff Theobald.
jeff.pauline@tesco.net</HTML>
I also would like any old photographs that you can email, many thanks, Jeff Theobald.
jeff.pauline@tesco.net</HTML>
Steam car photos
Posted by: SSsssteamer (---.tnt1.mount-vernon.wa.da.uu.net)
Date: January 12, 2004 02:30PM
<HTML>Please email me too with files of your steam car photos. Pat Farrell</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Dick Vennerbeck (---.prosysmeg.com)
Date: January 12, 2004 03:11PM
<HTML>Per,
I would also really enjoy seeing the photo in better detail. Wouls you please include me in you email list.
Mange Tak,
Dick</HTML>
I would also really enjoy seeing the photo in better detail. Wouls you please include me in you email list.
Mange Tak,
Dick</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Jim Merrick (---.agstme.adelphia.net)
Date: January 14, 2004 03:20PM
<HTML>Fascinating photo. It looks very similar to another photo that is in the collection of the Tekniska Museet (National Museum of Science & Technology) in Stockholm, Sweden. The photo in Stcckholm was taken from the opposite end of the building, I would guess, and there is a license plate visible in that other image which dates it to 1923. It is almost certainly in the Stanley Motor Carriage "concrete" factory on 44 Hunt St., Watertown. The exterior shell of that building is of poured reinforced concrete, but most of the floors are woodframe, and I'm told that there is an internal row of wooden columns that runs down the middle of the building to help support the floor above - it's clearly visible in both photos.
We would love to have a copy of this photo, and that incredible advertising image, here at the archives at the Stanley Museum in Kingfield.
Jim Merrick, Archivist
Stanley Museum
40 School Street
Kingfield, ME 04947
USA</HTML>
We would love to have a copy of this photo, and that incredible advertising image, here at the archives at the Stanley Museum in Kingfield.
Jim Merrick, Archivist
Stanley Museum
40 School Street
Kingfield, ME 04947
USA</HTML>
<b>Re: Mystery photo</b>
Posted by: JW (---.tmodns.net)
Date: January 22, 2004 06:05PM
<HTML>The gauges are mounted in the firewall, not in a seperate dashboard. What condensing car had this feature? A Mountain Wagon, special hack or truck?
I wonder?
JW</HTML>
I wonder?
JW</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: SSsssteamer (---.tnt2.mount-vernon.wa.da.uu.net)
Date: January 22, 2004 10:27PM
<HTML>According to my original sales literature, both the 1916 and 1917 Stanley passenger cars had their gauges mounted in the firewall. The 1918 model 735 Stanleys were the first Stanleys to have them mounted on their dashboard.</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: David K. Nergaard (---.s449.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: January 25, 2004 08:34AM
<HTML>I have received the large prints of both the photo and the advertisement that Per sent. Many thanx, Per. Would you be so kind as to send a translation of the ad? I wonder why a photo of an earlier car was used with the ad, which clearly shows a later, flat condensered car.
I can see parts of eight steering wheels, including that of the foreground chassis.</HTML>
I can see parts of eight steering wheels, including that of the foreground chassis.</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Per Nielsen (---.boanxr12.ras.tele.dk)
Date: January 28, 2004 11:30AM
<HTML>David, here is the translation of the danish adverticement:
Kør "Stanley" Dampvogn - Drive Stanley Steamcar
Og De vil altid undgaa: - and you will always avoid:
Tilsodede tændrør - sotted sparkplugs
Kobling og gearskiften - Clutch and gearchange
Magnet og karburatorforstyrrelser - Magnetand carburator disturbances
Kulilte forgiftning - CO2 poisoning
Enerverende vibrationer - enervating vibrations
Odensegade 24 - This is the steetname and nr. in Copenhagen.
Telefon: ØBRO 5501 - The telphone number, when you picked up the phone you asked the operator for ØBRO 5501. The number is in the Østerbro-area of Copenhagen.
Mathiesen og Ernst - the two people dealing Stanley. These names also aperas in the Stanley Dealer Bulletins, list of dealers.
Forlang Demonstation - Demand a demonstation
I know of at least one photo of a Stanley taken near the litle mermaid in Copenhagen in the erley twenties. If I can get hold of it I will bring it too.
Per</HTML>
Kør "Stanley" Dampvogn - Drive Stanley Steamcar
Og De vil altid undgaa: - and you will always avoid:
Tilsodede tændrør - sotted sparkplugs
Kobling og gearskiften - Clutch and gearchange
Magnet og karburatorforstyrrelser - Magnetand carburator disturbances
Kulilte forgiftning - CO2 poisoning
Enerverende vibrationer - enervating vibrations
Odensegade 24 - This is the steetname and nr. in Copenhagen.
Telefon: ØBRO 5501 - The telphone number, when you picked up the phone you asked the operator for ØBRO 5501. The number is in the Østerbro-area of Copenhagen.
Mathiesen og Ernst - the two people dealing Stanley. These names also aperas in the Stanley Dealer Bulletins, list of dealers.
Forlang Demonstation - Demand a demonstation
I know of at least one photo of a Stanley taken near the litle mermaid in Copenhagen in the erley twenties. If I can get hold of it I will bring it too.
Per</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: David K. Nergaard (---.s1453.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: February 01, 2004 08:12AM
<HTML>Thanx again, Per Some of the words I had a gues at, with some success. Do you have any idea when the advertisement was used?
I well remember telephone operators, and party lines. Princeton (the university town) did not have an automatic (dial) exchange 'till I was in high school. Four homes shared our 'phone line. A letter suffix told the operator which ring to use. Our number was PRInceton 1823J.</HTML>
I well remember telephone operators, and party lines. Princeton (the university town) did not have an automatic (dial) exchange 'till I was in high school. Four homes shared our 'phone line. A letter suffix told the operator which ring to use. Our number was PRInceton 1823J.</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Per Nielsen (---.boanxr1.ras.tele.dk)
Date: February 01, 2004 08:38AM
<HTML>David,
acording to the dealerlist in The Stanley Steamer Bulletins. the danish dealer in 1919 was Nordisk Elektrisk Aparatfabrik in St. Kongengsgade , Copenhagen. Mathiesen & Ernst apears on the list undated but believed to be march 8, 1922. This maches the model on the add fine.
Per</HTML>
acording to the dealerlist in The Stanley Steamer Bulletins. the danish dealer in 1919 was Nordisk Elektrisk Aparatfabrik in St. Kongengsgade , Copenhagen. Mathiesen & Ernst apears on the list undated but believed to be march 8, 1922. This maches the model on the add fine.
Per</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Per Nielsen (---.boanxr6.ras.tele.dk)
Date: February 04, 2004 01:30PM
<HTML>Jim,
is the factory 44 Hunt st. Watertown the same place as the factory in Newton Massachusetts?
Per</HTML>
is the factory 44 Hunt st. Watertown the same place as the factory in Newton Massachusetts?
Per</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: David K. Nergaard (---.s1287.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: February 08, 2004 08:47AM
<HTML>None of the factory buildings used by the Stanleys were in Newton. They were all technically in Watertown, but being on the south side of the Charles River, were served by the Newton post office. The Stanley's homes were in Newton.</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: James Merrick (---.prexar.com)
Date: February 09, 2004 07:12AM
<HTML>Per,
David is correct - all the Stanley factory buildings were located in Watertown, Massachusetts, on the border with Newton. He is also correct (and I was wrong) in pointing out that the building in your photo was NOT the concrete factory building that still stands at 44 Hunt Street. I spent quite a bit of time looking at your photo and comparing it with other interior and exterior photos which we have of the SMCC buildings, and I realized that the windows don't match up with the concrete building. The windows do match up with those in the Old Hickory Wheel factory - this was the original factory, originally used by the Stanleys' neighbor, Sterling Elliott, for the construction of bicycles and racing sulkies until the mid-1890s. The Stanleys bought the empty building in the early spring of 1899 and began tooling up for production. Locomobile purchased the building and expanded it, using it for production until 1901. The Stanleys bought the facility back and resumed production there - virtually all pre-coffin-nose Stanleys (and Watertown-made Locomobiles) were made in that building. It later housed the Testing Room - a photograph of which was published in Bulb Horn back in the 1940s, and Fred Marriott's Repair Department. The building was torn down in the late 1920s to make way for a new highway (and some sources say that the Steam Vehicle Corporation of America decided to relocate operations to Allentown, Pa., because of the taking of this building).
We would like to add your photo to the new Stanley history book coming out this spring, with your permission. We would also like to use the Mathieson & Ernst Stanley advertisement as an illustration in the book as well.
Jim Merrick</HTML>
David is correct - all the Stanley factory buildings were located in Watertown, Massachusetts, on the border with Newton. He is also correct (and I was wrong) in pointing out that the building in your photo was NOT the concrete factory building that still stands at 44 Hunt Street. I spent quite a bit of time looking at your photo and comparing it with other interior and exterior photos which we have of the SMCC buildings, and I realized that the windows don't match up with the concrete building. The windows do match up with those in the Old Hickory Wheel factory - this was the original factory, originally used by the Stanleys' neighbor, Sterling Elliott, for the construction of bicycles and racing sulkies until the mid-1890s. The Stanleys bought the empty building in the early spring of 1899 and began tooling up for production. Locomobile purchased the building and expanded it, using it for production until 1901. The Stanleys bought the facility back and resumed production there - virtually all pre-coffin-nose Stanleys (and Watertown-made Locomobiles) were made in that building. It later housed the Testing Room - a photograph of which was published in Bulb Horn back in the 1940s, and Fred Marriott's Repair Department. The building was torn down in the late 1920s to make way for a new highway (and some sources say that the Steam Vehicle Corporation of America decided to relocate operations to Allentown, Pa., because of the taking of this building).
We would like to add your photo to the new Stanley history book coming out this spring, with your permission. We would also like to use the Mathieson & Ernst Stanley advertisement as an illustration in the book as well.
Jim Merrick</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Per Nielsen (---.boanxr11.ras.tele.dk)
Date: February 15, 2004 03:10PM
<HTML>Jim,
you are free to use both photos in the book.
Per</HTML>
you are free to use both photos in the book.
Per</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Jim Crank (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: March 09, 2004 08:32AM
<HTML>Per,
The four cylinder automobile steam engine is a Gearless. Each two cylinder engine drove it's own wheel. A bad idea.
The boiler is a Roberts water tube.
Jim</HTML>
The four cylinder automobile steam engine is a Gearless. Each two cylinder engine drove it's own wheel. A bad idea.
The boiler is a Roberts water tube.
Jim</HTML>
Re: Mystery photo
Posted by: Andy Patterson (---.ibsiinc-isp.com)
Date: March 09, 2004 10:01AM
<HTML>Hi Jim
Are you sure about that four cylinder. I see what looks like a sprocket in the in the center of the crank. If each half is independent what is that sprocket doing there?
Andy</HTML>
Are you sure about that four cylinder. I see what looks like a sprocket in the in the center of the crank. If each half is independent what is that sprocket doing there?
Andy</HTML>
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