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Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: jhl1963 (IP Logged)
Date: October 26, 2008 09:15PM

Wondering what everybody's thoguhts are on the above...struggling with what I want to do for my R.

thanks guys,
Jordan

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Rolly (IP Logged)
Date: October 27, 2008 01:52PM

I think its your call, not all Stanley hub plats used square holes and square shoulder bolts.
Attached is a set of original 1907 hubs.
Look at the front hubs they have square holes and the rear have round.
If you have to remove the hubs the square shoulder bolts will come apart a lot easer.
You won’t be marking up the head of the bolts with vice grips.

I used round holes with a press fit raised shoulder on the bolt. I also used tapered rear axels and my front spindles I used tapered roller bearings.

Rolly

Attachments: Hubs-a.jpg (100.8KB)   P9130011.JPG (56.9KB)  
Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: jhl1963 (IP Logged)
Date: October 27, 2008 02:07PM

Thanks Rolly - appreciate it - once again beautiful work. Can anybody confirm if the R hubs are the same as the 70 - 6.75 inches? Thanks!

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Rolly (IP Logged)
Date: October 27, 2008 02:30PM

According to the Kit Foster book page 465 There were only 100 Model R’s 20 HP cars built in 1909 To me that means it used the narrow frame early 20 HP engine with the first generation type H drive pumps. Gearing is listed as 51:57 with the 36X3.5 tires. 56 inch tread and 112 inch wheel base.

Rolly

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Ben (IP Logged)
Date: October 29, 2008 06:35PM

Hi Was that the 4 x 5 engine,,,,with or without BAFFLE ?? Cheers Ben

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: jhl1963 (IP Logged)
Date: October 29, 2008 11:53PM

Hi Ben - 4x5, w/o baffle

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Rolly (IP Logged)
Date: October 30, 2008 01:15AM

Can anybody confirm if the R hubs are the same as the 70 - 6.75 inches? Thanks!

Is the 6.75 the OD of the hub plate. I will be seeing a friend of mine Sunday and if I remember to ask he should know.

When I was borrowing parts to do drawings I only did them on the 4.5 BC 5.5 OD and the 4.93 BC 6.25 OD plats.

Most of my drawings are for the Model EX. I did do a few scattered others not knowing what model car they went to.
See attachment.

Rolly

Attachments: Rear hub 4.5 BC.jpg (54.6KB)   Rear hub 4.93 BC.92 BC.jpg (57.2KB)  
Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: jhl1963 (IP Logged)
Date: October 31, 2008 12:54PM

I believe so Rolly, thank you.

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Rolly (IP Logged)
Date: October 31, 2008 10:48PM

The Model R Stanley is supposed to have a 36 inch X 3-1/2 inch tire.
What is the true diameter inflated.
My 30-inch measured 31+

Rolly

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: mike clark (IP Logged)
Date: November 01, 2008 02:03PM

Rolly it should be 36" but in my experience it depends a lot on the make of the tyre. I use 895 x 105 Dunlop Chevron clinchers on my Model H and they are 35.5 inch o/d as they should be. We can also get (for a much lower price) Excelsiors (used to be Betco) of the same nominal size but they are only 34.5 inch o/d - only answer is to measure one on a car.

Mike

Outside Diameter of 36 X 3 1/2 tire
Posted by: SSsssteamer (IP Logged)
Date: November 01, 2008 03:11PM

I just measured my Universal tires on my model R, size 36 X 3 1/2 and at 70 pounds per square inch air pressure they stand 36 3/4" tall. The tires still have new tread and I would suspect by the time the tires are all worn out that they will only stand about 36" tall.

Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: Rolly (IP Logged)
Date: November 01, 2008 03:22PM

Good morning Mike and the rest.
What I was trying to do was see how close I could come to a scaled measurement using AutoCAD. I can import a photo into AutoCAD and scale it to match a known measurement and then pick up the unknown dimensions.
This is assuming the photo is not out of proportion.
Any way I found a photo of a Model R on the net and tried it. Attached is what I got.
Tomorrow I will see a friend that has a Model R and hopefully he will know the dimension of the hub plate.
I’m betting it’s the 6.25 OD hub and BC of 4.930.

Rolly



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2008 03:31PM by Rolly.

Attachments: Wheel.jpg (49.4KB)  
Re: Preference - square drive vs taper, round wheel bolts vs square shoulders?
Posted by: jhl1963 (IP Logged)
Date: November 02, 2008 01:23PM

Rolly/Pat/Mike, thank you very much! Very helpful.



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