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Other Stuff will, for now, cover all the Other Stuff that we feel is important to talk about. Like Stirling engines, gas engines and all that rusty stuff that we brought home because we thought we needed it.
website on new engine developments
Posted by: Rudy Pekau (IP Logged)
Date: July 05, 2002 02:08PM
<HTML>Hi everybody ,
I thought I let you know about a website and a comment I wrote in the steamcar section on July 4 about new developments of a toroidal rotary engine ;
try: www.roundengine.com
any comments?</HTML>
I thought I let you know about a website and a comment I wrote in the steamcar section on July 4 about new developments of a toroidal rotary engine ;
try: www.roundengine.com
any comments?</HTML>
Re: website on new engine developments
Posted by: Joe Rea (IP Logged)
Date: November 25, 2002 03:19PM
<HTML>This real cool although I needed to look at the slide show to get it.
As long as it is developed in keeping with the K.I.S.S. protocol we may have a new automobile engine that can burn alternative fuels.
I get the impression that you guys reguard the steemer as a car from the past but I came to this site to look at alternatives for the future.
The most patriotic thing we can do is build a car that runs on corn oil or soybeans woodchips or something so we can quit supporting terrorism.
Of course being americans we will have to make it do 150 mph and have racing stripes with flames painted down the sides.</HTML>
As long as it is developed in keeping with the K.I.S.S. protocol we may have a new automobile engine that can burn alternative fuels.
I get the impression that you guys reguard the steemer as a car from the past but I came to this site to look at alternatives for the future.
The most patriotic thing we can do is build a car that runs on corn oil or soybeans woodchips or something so we can quit supporting terrorism.
Of course being americans we will have to make it do 150 mph and have racing stripes with flames painted down the sides.</HTML>
a few questions
Posted by: this idea seems intresting (IP Logged)
Date: November 26, 2002 04:16AM
<HTML>Rudy do you have stocks yet for you company
Just a wondering.</HTML>
Just a wondering.</HTML>
Re: a few questions
Posted by: Andy Patterson (IP Logged)
Date: March 10, 2004 03:31PM
<HTML>This is a bunch of hype or a great misunderstanding of basic physics.
By the basic physics law of conservation of energy an engine's shaft work must equal the piston work minus losses.
Here is a bunch hype that is trying to equate force to work. Force and torque are not energy. Mechanical work is force times distance. The fact the force on the piston at TDC translate to a low amount of torque is just due to mechanical advantage. The rotational distance traveled by the crank at TDC is greater than the piston distance traveled by the same factor that the force is reduced. Mechanical energy is work. Work is force times distance. The torque force times the distance of crank rotation is still equal to the force on the piston times the distance the piston travels.
The only difference an engines configuration can make on efficiency is by a change in frictional losses or by effecting the thermodynamic cycle parameters. For example by reducing the clearance in a steam engine the thermodynamic efficiency can be increased.
There are good reasons/arguments in favor of alternate engine configurations. Efficiency is not one of them. Any one claiming that some engine configuration (rotary, crank geometry, Counter balancing widget...) doesn't understand basic physics or is trying to run a scam.
Andy</HTML>
By the basic physics law of conservation of energy an engine's shaft work must equal the piston work minus losses.
Here is a bunch hype that is trying to equate force to work. Force and torque are not energy. Mechanical work is force times distance. The fact the force on the piston at TDC translate to a low amount of torque is just due to mechanical advantage. The rotational distance traveled by the crank at TDC is greater than the piston distance traveled by the same factor that the force is reduced. Mechanical energy is work. Work is force times distance. The torque force times the distance of crank rotation is still equal to the force on the piston times the distance the piston travels.
The only difference an engines configuration can make on efficiency is by a change in frictional losses or by effecting the thermodynamic cycle parameters. For example by reducing the clearance in a steam engine the thermodynamic efficiency can be increased.
There are good reasons/arguments in favor of alternate engine configurations. Efficiency is not one of them. Any one claiming that some engine configuration (rotary, crank geometry, Counter balancing widget...) doesn't understand basic physics or is trying to run a scam.
Andy</HTML>
Re: a few questions
Posted by: Andy Patterson (IP Logged)
Date: July 29, 2004 02:18PM
<HTML>Besides the crank efficiency hype on that site I have found some other deturents to efficiency in that engine. They don't have any real good drawings or anamations of the workings of the engine so one has to read through a lot to find the meat of it's operation.
It is an intreging idea for an engine. It has an external combustion chamber like the Honda stratfied charge engine. But the problem with the design is the disk valve. The disk intersets the tororidal cylander. It is turning in sync with the main shaft. This means that in order for the piston to pass through the opening in the disk it must be open for some time before and after the piston passes through. It is this disk that acts like a cylander head in a normal engine. Because it can't be ther for the full stroke part of the compression is lost. It is the point were the highest compression would take place. The efficiency of an internal combustion engine is a function of it's compression. The higher the compression the more power one can get from a charg of fuel. Then on the powerstroke the piston must travel some distance away from the disk before it closes. This creates a large clearance so when the combustion gases enter the sealed chamber some power is lost in filling this space. Just is in a steam engine high clearance space reduces efficiency.
Andy</HTML>
It is an intreging idea for an engine. It has an external combustion chamber like the Honda stratfied charge engine. But the problem with the design is the disk valve. The disk intersets the tororidal cylander. It is turning in sync with the main shaft. This means that in order for the piston to pass through the opening in the disk it must be open for some time before and after the piston passes through. It is this disk that acts like a cylander head in a normal engine. Because it can't be ther for the full stroke part of the compression is lost. It is the point were the highest compression would take place. The efficiency of an internal combustion engine is a function of it's compression. The higher the compression the more power one can get from a charg of fuel. Then on the powerstroke the piston must travel some distance away from the disk before it closes. This creates a large clearance so when the combustion gases enter the sealed chamber some power is lost in filling this space. Just is in a steam engine high clearance space reduces efficiency.
Andy</HTML>
Re: Thoroidal engine.
Posted by: Damijan Ruzic (IP Logged)
Date: August 14, 2004 05:08PM
<HTML>As a minimum, you have a new idea. I wrote my personal remarks to your e.mail in your company and I hope you will read my descusions with andy and my sugestions in steam cars department of phorum. I stand for everything I said.
Best regards,
Damijan</HTML>
Best regards,
Damijan</HTML>
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