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    <pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:13 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Buried Mountain Wagons at Sol Duc hot Springs Centennial</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,11146,11150#msg-11150</link>
      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[AAAAhh   Sweet bliss,,,
NO burner  howl   ,,, 
 Cheers,,Ben]]></description>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Buried Mountain Wagons at Sol Duc hot Springs Centennial</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,11146,11149#msg-11149</link>
      <author>SSsssteamer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I wanted to briefly share with you the experience of touring in a Stanley. Steaming through the big woods on a cool morning with the chill of the morning air on our faces, it makes us want to fasten up our jackets to the top buttons.  While climbing the mountain grade, the birds are heard singing in the trees about us as the quiet chuff, chuff of the Stanley engine is in the background.  The sweet smell of the spring flowers is gently hidden by the fresh evergreen fragrance of the giant fir trees.  The scenery is gliding by us is better than if we were on a Disneyland boat ride in one of their theme parks. As we scan the lofty tree tops about us, we can only guess that these are the same views that the the fur trappers must have seen two hundred years ago when they first ventured into the Olympic mountains. As we coast to the turn-around spot at the Sol Duc Falls trail head, only the single  click of the reversing pedal is heard from the Stanley mountain Wagon as the we quietly glide back out and turn around to return to the park's lower elevations.  The thick fog bank that we had left on the roadbed on our assent, is still hovering over the road like a white blanket of fog covering the earth.  See the attachment.  A steam car is truly an amazing vehicle.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 12:49:42 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Buried Mountain Wagons at Sol Duc hot Springs Centennial</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Dear Ben,  The Sol Duc Hot Springs Resort Centennial only comes around once every hundred years.  We will have to wait another 100 years for their Bicentennial.  As far as steam car tours, the wife and I are off to a car tour every other week end all this summer and fall.  &quot;The most important tour this year will be the &quot;Covered Bridges of Oregon Steam Tour&quot; starting the first week of August.  
Our 1914 Stanley 606 Roadster is already loaded up for a car show/ swap meet/ and short tour in Omak, Washington ths week end.  Leaving Friday mornng for that one. 
 If the price of gas would drop below $3 a gallon, then we could afford to go to Mike Roach's Iowa Steam car tour in August.  At the present price for gasoline to get to and from Iowa, it would cost us over $2,000.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 22:53:37 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Buried Mountain Wagons at Sol Duc hot Springs Centennial</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,11146,11147#msg-11147</link>
      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thanks so mutch for sharing this with us all,,It sounds like a weekend to remember,,
and without incident,,
Does this look like it could be turned into an annual event??
I still have fond memories of you and Merrily at the MtWashington meet in 1999
in the blue  Stanley,,,Best regards,,,Ben]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 19:38:44 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Buried Mountain Wagons at Sol Duc hot Springs Centennial</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Sol Duc Hot Springs Resort Centennial By Pat Farrell
The Sol Duc Hot Springs Resort is located in the beautiful Olympic National Park.  Sol Duc in Indian means &quot;land of sparkling waters.&quot;  A lumber baron from Port Angeles, Washington, Michael Earles took two years to build the original Sol Duc Hot Springs Hotel, with it finally opening in 1912.   The hot mineral waters were thought to cure rheumatism, liver diseases, alcoholism, and other disorders. The new four-story, 165-room hotel sported a telephone in every room and a large veranda encircling three sides. A row of guest cabins lined the west hillside of the narrow mountain canyon. The nearby 100-bed sanatorium featured medical staff, an operating room , and the Northwest's first X-ray machine. The on-site lumber mill provided all of the lumber needs for the construction of the new community. In a wider valley just a little ways down the Sol Duc River from the hotel, the resort grew their own vegetables and raised their own poultry and dairy products.
As many as 10,000 guests each summer sipped the mineral waters and soaked in hot baths. Horseback riding, tennis, croquet, bowling, theater hall, and an orchestra with dancing ensured a full agenda. After only four years of grandeur, sparks from a defective flue set a cedar roof afire in May of 1916. Within only a few hours most of this magnificent resort, along with their bottling company and lumber mill, had burned to the ground.
After the 1916 fire, nothing was rebuilt to anywhere close to the original grandeur of the original resort. Several resort operators had come and gone until the government purchased the site in 1966. New cabins were built in the 1970's and the present lodge was built in the mid 1980's. For lodging there are presently 33 cabins available for guests. Since 2005, Aramark Parks and Destinations have managed the resort.
From the 1912 photos, there appears to have been about seven Sol Duc Stanley Mountain wagons working the final fourteen miles from Lake Crescent to their resort. Also, operating out of a different transportation business in nearby Port Angeles were more Stanley Mountain Wagons working in conjunction with the Sol Duc's Mountain Wagons on the scenic evergreen tree-lined mountain routes.
The Sol Duc Hot Springs Resort, which first opened their Olympic mountains hotel in 1912, requested at their centennial celebration a Stanley Mountain Wagon like what was first used to haul their guests to their hot springs resort. Our 1916 Stanley Mountain Wagon filled their Stanley Mountain Wagon request, and it was admired by hundreds of Sol Duc tourists during their May 5 and 6, 2012, centennial celebration. 
Arriving at noon on Friday, May 4, my wife Merrily and I put on our swim suits and were quick to slip into the hot springs. At about 400 feet above our 1,460-foot elevation, fluffy white snow was falling and painting the canyon's evergreen trees a snowy white. After adjusting to the warmth of the hot springs, our bodies' first sensation was the slippery feel of the water on our skin. Silica in the water gave our skin a smooth, slippery feel. Hours later as we walked to the dressing rooms, our old bodies truly felt about ten years younger.
For Friday night's dinner, we were well fed with fresh sturgeon. That evening we took a refreshing hike up the west side of the Sol Duc River on Lover's Lane and enjoyed looking at all that nature had for provided us. After our long hike, our Sol Duc Hot Springs Resort cabin's night's rest was heavenly. 
Saturday morning, we steamed our Mountain Wagon on a small tour up to the Sol Duc Falls trail head. On the way to the trail head, ancient evergreen trees of about six feet in diameter stood along the snow-spotted shoulders of the mountain road. In the cold early morning air, our Mountain Wagon laid down a carpet of white condensate, which looked thick enough to almost to be able to walk on. On our return trip back down the mountain road, our white, cotton-like condensate was still covering the mountain roadbed as if we had left only minutes earlier. Deer, squirrels, birds, and more could be seen moving about in the surrounding forests and meadows. 
During Saturday's celebration, hundreds of guests took photos of our Stanley Mountain Wagon, and they had many questions like &quot;was this one of the same Mountain Wagon used here in 1912? Are these tires solid rubber? Did you buy this new? How fast does it go? Does it run? . . .&quot; Then there were the guests who had valuable information like: &quot;Gordon Decker of Forks said that his Grandfather buried three Stanley Mountain Wagons here while they were cleaning up after the 1916 fire.&quot; Another fellow said that he has a Stanley engine at home and along with eight full barns of collectibles, and that I should stop by and take a look. Another fellow said that he had purchase a silver-clad knife off of e-Bay that said &quot;Sol Duc Hot Springs&quot; on it, and it had a Stanley Mountain Wagon showing on each side with scarves flying from the passengers' costumes. Another fellow showed us a photo of his huge lumber planer that had come out of the resort's sawmill, and it had been in the fire. 
Saturday evening we hiked up the easy trails on the other east side of the Sol Duc River, passing through campgrounds and marveling at the giant evergreen trees and the beautiful views throughout the woods.
On a sunny Sunday morning we found time to do some more morning touring in the area. Resort manager Duncan Allinson rode with us in our Mountain Wagon, and along the way we paused to take photos with the Mountain wagon in the different campgrounds. The rest of the morning we did &quot;show and tell&quot; with our Stanley Mountain Wagon.  The crowds had greatly diminished by Sunday afternoon and we headed back home early. 
This was one of our best Stanley steamer adventures yet.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:53:04 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: What are your work shop projects being worked on?</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Some views on the road to Sold Duc Hot Springs in about 1912]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 23:21:14 -0400</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[Today Merrily and I had the help of SACA/NW President Eric Gleason  in getting our 1916 Stanley Mt. Wagon ready for the Sol Duc Hot Springs Centennial this week end.  Sol Duc had about 7 Mt. Wagons operating between Lake Crescent and the Hot Springs in 1912.  There were more than that many operating between Lake Crescent and Port Angeles at the very same time and owned  by another transportation company.  Our Mt. Wagon is the guest star at their Sol Duc Hot Springs Centennial.  We flip the top assembly forward so that the Mt. Wagon can fit into our short enclosed car hauling trailer. Photo was taken by Eric's best friend, Jackie.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 23:12:12 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Dear Ben and Rolly,   I would only use the copper packing on piston rods that were about worn out. Copper packing lasts and lasts, outlasts the piston rods...   Caution should be taken on using copper packing against finely polished piston rods.  For old the piston rods that grand dad ran, the copper packing would work quite well.  I am careful in not using any metalic packings on my clean piston rods.  There is also a packing out that is suppose to work really well but it has stainless steel shavings in it.  I  will never use that one.  Sure it lasts, but what does it do to a finely finished piston rod?  Vintage Steam products offers the best piston rod packing for the money.  It is the #238 John Crane 1625G @ $2.15/foot. It is&quot;.... 1/8&quot; square, woven high temperature, graphite fiber packing.  Good for over 1,000 degrees F on reciprocating parts such as valve rods, piston rods and throttle shafts.&quot;  No damage to your finish on your piston rods if properly used.  Use the correct packing for the correct application.  The test of time will always determine what works best.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:52:42 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: What are your work shop projects being worked on?</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,10469,11142#msg-11142</link>
      <author>SSsssteamer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I used a round nosed bit that matched the size of the O ring being used.  If using a high speed steel bit, I cut at a 300 surface feet per minute.  With carbide cutting bits, you can cut at 800 surface feet per minute on aluminum.  To calculate rpm:  (cutting speed X 4)/ diameter = rpm.  Depending on the alloy of the aluminum, I have often used lanolin as a cutting oil for a finer finish cut.  If in doubt about what speed to use, always start at a slower speed and work up.  For the ultimate finish cut, I always finish honing my cutting bits on a hand held hone stone. FYI comparison...(Mild steel has a cutting speed of 100 surface feet per minute with a high speed cutting bit.)   Another benefit of having the O ring on the outside of your differential housing, it is to keep the dirt out of the bearing surface between the axle housings and the differential housing.  On the outside of the differential housings there are steel thrust washers that the differential housing centering adjusting screws rest against.  The thrust washer is against the outside edge of the differential O ring groove. I made my o ring grooves shallow eough so that when the adjusting screws are brought up against the thrust washers, the O rings have a slight compression for a better O ring seal.  We have kind of gotten away from this threads original topic......]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:32:44 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: What are your work shop projects being worked on?</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,10469,11141#msg-11141</link>
      <author>Jeff Brown</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'd like to machine it for O-rings - I can remount it in the lathe but I'd have to mount a boring head in the headstock and use that to cut the groove - not easy but should be possible.  What is the best tool shape to cut a groove like this without the swarf gumming up the tool?

Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:07:58 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Now what do you guys suggest for those of us that are still running the packing and or shafts that grandad put in,,,
Cheers,,from Ben,,,Presedant of the Proscrastination Scioety,,]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:44:53 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,11116,11139#msg-11139</link>
      <author>Rolly</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Original Stanley packing is copper type wire impregnated with graphite. This stuff is hard and for the most part cannot be tightened up after set. If you haven’t removed the head or packing body to hammer it out from the backside it will not blow out with the steam pressure. 
Doble use to compress his packing in a die and install it as a solid unit. Once the heat expanded it was set, no added tightening was necessary. 
I still use one band of copper packing and one band of graphite. I prefer 440 stainless rods instead of hard chrome. Each to his own. I don’t think using any type of torque wrench will ever make it.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:36:43 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Will this also be true of the pump rods??   Ben]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:27:29 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Scoring?  Ben, you are right about that too. Over tightening will prevent proper lubrication of the packing and promote scoring.  Over tightening the packing can also create hard spots in the packing that can cut the finish (scoring) on a piston rods' nice finish.  This excessive/rapid  wear will eventually wear the sealing area of the piston rod into an hour glass shape making it even harder to retain a good low maintenance stuffing box seal.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:21:31 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I wasnt sure if this would score the shaft,,,,,Ben]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:06:45 -0400</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[Ben,  You are correct about over tightening the packing and not being able to return it to its &quot;before tightening&quot; condition.  Once you have overtightened your packing, you have crushed the packing fibers where by the packing remains tighter.  Backing off of the stuffing box nut will only relieve a small part of the added packing drag.  Eventually the added packing drag will wear in.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:03:34 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Pat,,,   Thanks so verry mutch for posting these details,,,,and may your posts draw others to post so many of these details NOT in the book,,
Thanks to Rolly  for his valuable additions as well,,,
Now if we all can remember what thread it was in,,,
  One more detail??,,,Do I remember that if you overtighten a packing,,,you can't really back it off again,,,,
Please comment on this if you will,,,,Thanks,,,,Ben]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:57:58 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Ian, every stuffing box is different depending on the type of packing used, the condition of the rod/piston surface and the fluid being sealed.  I was told by a Stanley dealer's son who's name was Fran Duveneck, in answer to your same question, and his answer was:  &quot;tighten your stuffing boxes only enough to keep them from leaking.  Anymore than that, it is a waste of packing material and an unnecessary drag from the packing&quot;.  
Experience will soon dawn on you as to what each stuffing box will need for trouble free service.  Your most critical stuffing box is your piston rod packing.  Its new packing will soon become seated in for miles of trouble free service.  It takes persistant adjusting attention for about the first 150 miles, depending on the condition of the piston rods.  After that, routine adjusting of the stuffing box packing nut by maybe one flat could be expected about every 200+ miles.  Running with leaking piston rod packing will quickly require replacing all of the packing for that one stuffing box because the steam will wire cut all the packing out if allowed to leak steam.  Usually one does not carry enough piston rod packing with them to do a complete roadside repack for the missing piston rod packing. Over an hour can be expected to be spent on repacking a hot empty piston rod stuffing box.  Anytime that a piston rod is out of an engine and if it may be bent, scored,or pitted, do not put it back in with out first having it hard chromed.  Hard chromed piston rods are a world of improvement over piston rods needing attention.  Another point is to never hammer your packing flatter on the cement sidewalk to make it fit easier.  Sand from the cement is picked up in the packing and it will score your piston rods making them leak worse.  If you must flatten your packing, pick a clean surfaces on which to hammer on.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:20:06 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>ianc</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Okay Pat, what would you guess to be a reasonable value for the engine boxes? Five ft/lbs?  Less?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:26:26 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: Torque values for stuffing boxes</title>
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      <author>SSsssteamer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The only stuffing box on any of our 5 Stanleys that can run at only finger tight is on our Water Automatics.  All of the rest of the Stanley stuffing boxes have tighter values.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:08:04 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: What are your work shop projects being worked on?</title>
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      <author>SSsssteamer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have machined a 20 hp &quot;R&quot; and a 30 hp &quot;85&quot; differential castings so far and I put the &quot;O&quot; ring groove on the outside edge of the bores instead of in the middle of the bores.  The differential housing pivots on the rear axle and it needs lubrication across the whole bearing surface. That is why I chose the outside edge of the bore for the &quot;O&quot; ring.  I copied the idea from my 10 hp type 6 engine.  No oil leaks from any of the three differential housings.  For the right size O ring, I cut them to the proper length circumference and I sewed the O ring ends together.  There is a glue that does this also but I didn't have it on the shelf. For the engine frame rod bores, I drilled them in my milling machine by first drilling a pilot hole, which unfortunately gave me 6 inch deep crooked holes, next by milling their holes straight again to about final size and finally by running a reamer through them for a perfect fit.  I had bought the unmachined 30 hp aluminum casting from Carl Amsley.  It was a bugger to get the 30 hp rough castings centered up on each other because the casting halves were not a good fit to each other to start with.  The 20 HP &quot;R&quot; unmachined aluminum castings that I bought from Alan Kelso were an excellent fit to each other from the start. My  milling machine did all of my work.  It was fun.]]></description>
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      <title>[1 Steam Cars] Re: What are your work shop projects being worked on?</title>
      <link>http://stanleysteamers.com/phorum-5.1/read.php?1,10469,11129#msg-11129</link>
      <author>Jeff Brown</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Why didn't I think of using O rings???  I've been wondering how well it will seal as it has to be able to move and seal at the same time.  I was thinking with the wide bearing surface, it would form its own oil seal but O rings would clinch it!

I was going to make the patterns and get them cast but the estimates from the foundry were in the same ball park as one from Goolds so I got an unmachined one from them and saved some complicated pattern making.  It was a nice clean casting and can recommend them.

Jeff]]></description>
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      <author>ianc</author>
      <description><![CDATA[My thanks for the posts. I have a 1/8&quot; torque wrench designed for screws on musical instruments that is accurate from 1 to 175 inch/pounds,  and I can easily rig up a crow's foot adapter, so I don't care how low the reading should be. &quot;Finger-tight&quot; is the most useful answer, but that doesn't seem tight enough. Anyone else agree with that?]]></description>
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      <author>Rolly</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jeff
I thought I would mention this. 
The last one I machined I cut in groves 5/16 wide and 0.2000 deep for 1/4 inch O-ring seals. 
Rolly]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:15:45 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>Rolly</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Beautiful work Jeff. I was wondering what you’ve been up to. I haven’t used that setup in years. Ever since I got my 40 taper universal Mill about thirty years ago. Did you make the patterns for the castings? They look great. 
Rolly]]></description>
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      <author>Jeff Brown</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Spent the weekend finishing the machining of the diff casting for my Stanley R.  My lathe was only just big enough to get it mounted (upside down) for boring the center hole that mounts on the axle. To start with I had a lot of trouble with build up of aluminum on the tool and I ended up putting about 40 degrees of side rake on the tool to keep it clear. I think the worst part of the machining though was boring the 4 holes for the engine frame - they are over 6 inches deep and aluminum is horrible stuff to machine.  Big surprise was how little clearance there is on the inside of the casting between the back of the bevel gears and the side of the casting - must only be about 1/32&quot;.  Anyway, all done now and fits on the axle quite well.  Next mission is to get all the rear brake shoes, drums and levers done so I can get the wheels on and then mount the engine to the axle

Jeff]]></description>
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      <author>Ben</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Is Lee Sturtevent still around,,making torque wrenches,,nice equipment!!
He also had an Unbelievable Dodge ramcharger and trailer,,,
BOTH with hemi,,!!
 If anyone knows of this,,please start new thread,,
A small spring balence connected to a pin wrench should do the recording,,
Stanley  twins had connected the horse to a buggy with a spring balence 
to measure buggy drag,, simple BUT did get a measure,,,,

Cheers,,Ben]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:04:56 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>mike clark</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The torque required is not very high so I wonder if any commercial torque wrench will read that low? You'd need a crows foot adaptor to get on the gland nut and adjust the reading to suit.

With hard chromed valve rods no more than finger tight was needed on my car and even the piston rods needed little more. Funnily enough the pump rods needed a bit more effort but even there turning the gland nut with a three inch rod in the hole was enough to get them tight.

Mike]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:27:50 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>Rolly</author>
      <description><![CDATA[We need to keep things in perspective. Ianc was talking about his engine.
If were talking about the pumps its another thing. My EX burns gasoline. I certainly don’t want leaks. I to use leather both in the fuel and oil pumps. The fuel pump I am always checking on, my oil pump is another thing it’s not a positive drive system but spring driven and can’t be two tight, but must be tight enough so as not to draw in any air. 
Water pumps are positive displacement driven through the engine. I try to keep the leaking to a minimum. But the engine I like to see a little dripping, not steam blowing out but a water drip every now and then, especially on the valve rods, and I’m not uncomfortable with some dripping on the piston rods. 
Rolly]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:42:32 -0400</pubDate>
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      <author>SSsssteamer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Around fire, I do not allow any dripping fuel, and that also applies to dripping fuel from the fuel pump too.  I tighten my fuel pump packing just tight enough so that it does not leak, and also loose enough so that it does not make heat to the touch while running.  The oil pump is an easy one to tighten as it doesn't leak either but it has to be tight enough so that it doesn't draw air.  If your winker becomes lazy on its report, it is probably because your oil pump packing has become too loose.  Ben....Good idea on using a leather shoe lace for fuel pump packing.  Leather will last for a long time.]]></description>
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